4 years ago

@benitesgui I think you're just seeing what you want to see

4 years ago

@benitesgui Highly inaccurate take, it’s fine that you enjoyed it though.

4 years ago

@benitesgui you are right! Welcome to the haters era

4 years ago

@benitesgui it has just to feel like star wars, which these 3 movies just don't. <br /> <br /> Mandalorian does. Easy as that.

4 years ago

@benitesgui Last Jedi was hated by _some_ of the fans, not all. Many fans loved it, many others liked it, many were lukewarm to it (no pun intended). There was a wide variety of reactions from fans, and it's completely incorrect to say that it was "hated by all the fans".

4 years ago

@benitesgui Correcting choices that should never have been corrected. The people who talk shit about The Last Jedi are fucking morons

4 years ago

@benitesgui I do indeed think that Star Wars, a space opera, should be a deep and complex movie with ~~fanfics about~~ romances. It's been that before, it can be that again.

4 years ago

@benitesgui The Last Jedi wasn't hated by all the fans, just a very loud minority. And The Rise of Skywalker was way too late to change the direction of the story like that. You can't use the big finale to "correct" the choices made in the second part of a trilogy. That's not how storytelling works.<br /> <br /> And by the way: Abrams had the chance to make the second part himself. He declined. So when he came back for the third one, he should have continued with the themes and directions taken in the second one, regardless of whether these were part of his original plan. He was no longer telling his original story, whatever that had been. He willingly gave it to another storyteller, but then afterwards just acted like that hadn't happened. That's the main reason why this is the weakest film in the latest trilogy.

4 years ago

Fantasy and Science-Fiction (even space operas) are deep and complex. That's one of the key elements. Totally different are horror movies, they require emotions and don't need much logic in their plots. <br /> <br /> If you want your target audience to enjoy a movie, you should respect their expectations.

4 years ago

@c4r1st0pher or Star wars: The Service of fans

4 years ago

@c4r1st0pher That's what the internet wanted right? We were given what we deserved.

4 years ago

@thoroughmas Yeah TLJ, at the expense of pleasing fans, introduced so many interesting things, so many plot points that could have been used to propel the finale. Instead a good chunk of ROS was blown on undoing so much of it, often in the most uninteresting and uninspiring ways. <br /> <br /> I wanted a filmmaker who wouldn't listen to the internet hate mob, have faith, and stay the course. Stick with it and close the story that 7 and 8 together set up, show them that TLJ wasn't just about upsetting fans and was instead the middle act, where the complications arise that are to be resolved in the final act. The overarching arc of this trilogy is now the Jedi will save us, actually the Jedi aren't the heroes we think they are because they got us into this mess in the first place, oh just kidding they are heroes we're saved.<br /> <br /> Instead they were scared off by reddit and all but ignored the set up and just made a generic action movie, the exact thing everyone seemed to be shouting that they wanted. Episode 9 ignores both 7 and 8, but also everything we learnt in episodes 1, 2, and 3. It's just killing Palpatine again because why not, we miss the guy.<br /> <br /> But I do agree, the Ben Solo story is fantastic, easily the best part of this trilogy. I thought he was just going to replay the Vader story all over again, but it was unique and interesting.

4 years ago

@jaw72 Totally agree with you. I'm struggling to understand the reasoning for many things in this movie beyond "fans might think that's cool". It does not have the faith to commit to its own ideas.<br /> Surely even those who didn't like TLJ would have preferred this movie to at least respect what had been set up, in order to strengthen the saga overall.<br /> Oh well.

4 years ago

@atlantis14 the trilogy WAS planned in advance, Rian Johnson completely rewrote the second film. JJ had already mapped Episodes VIII and IX when he was working on Episode VII :/