3 years ago

@magenof - Sorry the plot was too complicated for you to comprehend. She discovered the toxin, but, it would have been nearly impossible to kill all of them in the future, as by then they had proliferated throughout the ENTIRE earth and had decimated it. Her plan ALL ALONG was for her Father to take the toxin back and stop the entire war from ever occurring by killing them all at the source, which it turns out, was a crashed space ship buried under a Russian glacier. They started' injecting them one by one, but the entire nest woke up, thus necessitating the cancer merc detonating the entire ship, killing all but the few who got out, (taken care of by Pops), and the Queen. Though they were unable to put her down conventionally, eventually, he was able to hand deliver the coup de grace, by shoving a vial straight down her throat. Buckwheats for her, boat drinks all around for everyone else. Government didn't want to help because, like with Vietnam, the populous had become fed up with the whole affair, and the optics weren't particularly good for a covert mission into hostile Russian territory on an unproven hunch. But, he "knew a guy", that could get them there, and the stranded mercs from the future were down to finish their mission, which they did with aplomb. Hope this helped clarify your confusion. Glad to help.

3 years ago

@paladin5150 Thanks for taking your time to write a synopsis of the stupid third act so people know what I'm talking about.

3 years ago

@magenof - No problem! It's what I do.....

3 years ago

Absolutely spot on. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

3 years ago

@paladin5150 _Her plan ALL ALONG was for her Father to take the toxin back and stop the entire war from ever occurring by killing them all at the source, which it turns out, was a crashed space ship buried under a Russian glacier._<br /> Except nobody knew the crash site and they discovered that by chance, so she didn't really have any plan - or maybe she just forgot to tell her dad, maybe. <br /> <br /> When put into writing, the movie does really seem a lot more stupid than on film, apparently Chris Pratt was either out of options or doing a favor to someone at the studio.

3 years ago

@ner0p - Yes, future daughter didn't know where the origin point was, nor even that it was a CRASH site. She simply figured that her father could take back the toxin, have it mass produced, and then hit them when and where they first emerged, which they knew was SOMEWHERE in the artic region of of Russia. But even in the future, they had never been able to pinpoint it. Wifey deduced that, if they had never spotted a LANDING site, then they must be looking in the wrong time frame, and that maybe they had been on earth MUCH LONGER than they thought. This led the father back to cancer merc, who had the claw around his neck. When the chubby biology guy examined it under a microscope, he discovered Chinese volcanic ash, which led them to high school volcano nerd, who pinpointed the ONLY eruption that could have deposited Chinese volcanic ash in Russia, which led them to the Russian glacier. Magnetic anomalies with their snowmobile LCD readouts parked them on top of the buried spaceship, which they explosively excavated (yes, very silly) and upon entering it they THEN discovered the non monster aliens who had been transporting the creatures for unknown reasons, but had CRASHED on earth. (maybe not even their original target). So maybe not a cogent "plan" on her part, but as she stated, basically a timey whimey hail Mary.<br /> <br /> Don't MOST sci-fi movies seem more stupid ( I prefer SILLY) on paper than the end visual product? That's why it's called "science-FICTION". Suspend disbelief and just let the Chris Pratt vibes flow through you........

3 years ago

@magenof lol, you must be one of those people who believe the government is a confident, entity that is there to protect us not protect itself. It’s more realistic, that while the world governments are collapsing and the threat of global nuclear war is present, they would be operating in a way such as this and do the least efficient thing possible.

3 years ago

@ant9090 "realistic" lol<br /> That's probably one adjective that you should refrain from using when describing *anything* about this movie.

3 years ago

@magenof because, if you pay attention to the scenes the entire movie you can see how they try to save on budget, scenes with entire armies cost money, earlier when they first land you can see a very funny part where they film the creatures and the humans being chased but they are never both in the same shot up to a very short scene at the end... in any case, I thought a lot of the story was set up badly but in the end it makes more sense than most, and to your point of why the government not help... because at that point "there is time" and they prioritise their international politics since the urgency of the issue is decreased, think climate change and how much the governments are actually helping when we know the future is screwed but other things always seem more urgent to the short term government at the helm

3 years ago

@magenof Seeing that we "fight" climate change for 20 years now, I'd say the writers hit the nail right on the head with that one.

3 years ago

@ner0p It was explained during the movie that the primal aliens were not the ones that operated the device that brought them to Earth, so contradiction is totally the wrong word, but I guess you would've needed to be paying attention.

3 years ago

@paulvincent83 No, it was not explained during the movie, it was actually never explained because no one had any clue about anything. Anyway, they only mention that the aliens are cargo once and it's in the final 5 minutes of the movie when they find the spaceship, I had already written the comment by then and didn't bother coming to it. On that note, it comes back to an extremely bad execution of borrowed ideas (clearly influenced by Prometheus in this case). In any case, a bad movie all around which adds nothing original.

3 years ago

@ner0p Yeah that's what I was talking about, how they brought it up really quickly than moved on and didn't mention it again, that's why I said you had to pay attention because if you were distracted for even a minute there you'd totally miss it.

3 years ago

@ner0p You obviously missed the plot, [spoiler]the aliens they were fighting were a planet killing bio weapon, they were not the actual invaders. It was clearly explained at the end, that the ship crashed and the aliens in control of that ship died in the impact. That left the weapon unattended, and at some point in the future, the ice caps melted and the weapon was unintentionally activated. They mentioned it was likely Earth may have never even been the target for invasion.[/spoiler] How could you possibly leave a coherent review if you didn’t even get the movie lol

3 years ago

@ant9090 I suppose you haven't read my reply to the previous comment. As for my original "review", I don't see how the "copy-pasted-Prometheus-plot-fattening" is of any consequence. The movie is still bad, no amount of lipstick can make up for that, pun unintended.

3 years ago

@ant9090 Yeah? And how the human kind is just 30 years "invent time travels"? That can't be explain. <br /> Is really bad.

3 years ago

@hmelero scifi.<br /> <br /> how you managed to even turn on your computer with an IQ that low is beyond me

2 years ago

@unambi no dude. not even scifi can explain this garbage that you give 10.

3 years ago

@dnzt The "female" was "on the run" for some time. If they want to make a sequel, they can say she laid eggs somewhere during that run. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

3 years ago

@dnzt i feel like there could be a sequel with the fact that an alien species is what brought them to earth in the first place

3 years ago

You nailed it. Great flick. Highly enjoyable.

3 years ago

@gloom8 exactly what I thought! They copied everything easy and left out what would have required a bit more thinking about logic.

3 years ago

Such as what movies? Can you share?

3 years ago

@adms When implementing time travel as a plot device the act of going back in time and altering something from the original events voids everything that has happened/ about to happen. The act of traveling in time only really works if you travel in time to create an event that has already happened and create an action that wouldn't occur without you travelling in time in the first place (like the books falling of the bookcase in Interstellar or Rintaro making noises in the hallway in Steins;Gate).<br /> <br /> Its like the common idea of going back in time and killing Hitler, if you were to kill him then he never existed to the extent you knew him and you would lose the reason as to why you're travelling back in time in the first place! (hence a paradox). Even if you killed him and are able to go back to your world it's no longer you world! You haven't travelled in time! All you've done is jump into a new world line where your actions were successful but the original timeline still exists except you're no longer part of that world line.<br /> <br /> While I thought the explanation of how certain people are able to travel to the future ([spoiler] since their future self would already be dead in that time [/spoiler]) and the people from the future to the past ([spoiler] since they're not born yet in that time [/spoiler]) made sense and avoids a paradox in that regard.<br /> <br /> [spoiler] However being given the solution to the war in the future and taking it into the past to stop the events ever occurring creates a paradox! If the war never existed then he would of never travelled to the future and gotten the solution to end the war (unless you believe time is in an infinite loop and there is technically no such thing as past or future). [/spoiler]<br /> <br /> Too many writers use time travel thinking that they use it to fix the outcome in their creation or try and make their creation appear more intelligent, however in reality it shows us they're too lazy to write a concise an air-tight story with proper intelligent content and just use the act of time travel to quickly wrap things up without having to really do any proper thinking and just introduce numerous plot holes.<br /> <br /> Sorry about my long response :sweat_smile: Just wanted to share my thoughts on the whole time travel thing.

3 years ago

@adms Interstellar and Predestination [spoiler]the first season of Dirk Gently's Hollistic Detective Agency too but knowing before hand is kind of spoilery if you didn't catch it in the first episode[/spoiler] are the ones I can remember.

3 years ago

@jlchamberlain It ultimately boils down to your interpretation or the writer's interpretation of time travel, which at the moment and for the foreseeable future isn't a real thing. Because of this, it's kind of impossible to say why it would or wouldn't work, the same way how every movie/show with vampires alters the rules since like time travel, vampires are a work of fiction too. Under another theory, one could say the two timelines exist in different realities where changing events in one doesn't affect the other in any way other then the actions any people who travel take afterward from their knowledge gained.<br /> <br /> But regardless, point is as long as the debate is over something fictional, there's never actually any right or wrong answer.