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FuckYouToo23 says...
2 years ago
Lmao the only reason the French were in Dehomey to begin with was to END slavery. Dehomians were one of the main perpetrators of the Atlantic Slave Trade, killing all of their rivals or enslaving them and selling them off.

Its hilarious how they are trying to rewrite history to make Whites look "evil" even when we tried to help them.

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Reply by One_Up
2 years ago
@brilpoetsdoekje oh you troll, you either didn't actually watch the movie or you completely missed the plot.<br /> <br /> 1. In the movie, the "evil whites" you're referring to weren't French, they were Portuguese. Portugal had ended their slave trade at the time in the movie but the Portuguese colonies in Africa were still trading in slaves well into the 1800's when this movie takes place. Also, the white folk in the movie have all of about 20 minutes of screen time, so not exactly the main focus.<br /> <br /> 2. The Portuguese weren't even portrayed as "evil". Slave traders yes, and slave trader = bad, but honestly they're portrayed more like bumbling buffoons rather than "evil". The ones who were truly vilified in the film were the Oyo, an oppressive and larger neighboring African kingdom that also captured slaves to sell to the Europeans which lines up with history.<br /> <br /> 3. The film doesn't shy away from the fact that the Dahomeans (spelled with an 'e' not an 'i') were major players in the capture and trading of slaves. The whole movie kicks off with a voice over saying that the Dahomey and Oyo kingdoms were locked in a cycle of capturing each-other and trading the prisoners as slaves. The main undercurrent of the story, aside from getting out from under the thumb of the Oyo (loosely referencing the Dahomey Revolt which actually happened), was the leader of the Agojie trying to convince king Ghezo of Dahomey to stop the practice of capturing and trading slaves. The real king Ghezo actually did abolish slavery for 5 years, and the movie is loosely portraying the beginning of this time period. Granted, the film is misleading in the fact that he did eventually revert that decision when palm oil trade wasn't lucrative enough to support the kingdom.<br /> <br /> 4. What you're thinking of is the first and second Franco-Dahomean wars which wasn't even during the reign of king Ghezo who is the king depicted in the movie, it was under king Behanzin (two kings after Ghezo). The French weren't there to end slavery either, in fact they were brought in to defend Porto-Novo after it was attacked by **British anti-slaving ships**, so in actuality they were **PROTECTING** slavery practices by protecting _against_ the anti-slaving efforts of the British. The _real_ reason the Franco-Dahomean wars kicked off is because the French then tried to lay claim for control over Porto-Novo and Cotonou in what was essentially a land-grab, a claim which Behanzin contested and fought back against.<br /> <br /> Seriously, people need to stop clutching their pearls when a movie portrays white people in a less-than-pleasant light. Which, news-flash: _white people have done bad things in history_, so come to terms with it and work towards being a better example rather than complaining about how "white people from 150 years ago are being portrayed in a bad light." Especially if you get the details wrong anyway.<br /> <br /> Also, I know you didn't mention this but general PSA for anyone else reading: stop pearl-clutching when a movie depicts strong black women kicking ass. Seriously, it's bad-ass, so stfu.<br /> <br /> I'm a white person and I approve this message because my identity isn't so fragile that I feel threatened by a movie that depicts the historically accurate fact that white people indeed participated in the slave trade.
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Reply by FuckYouToo23
2 years ago
@one_up let me summarise your ramblings real quick: wypipo bad cuz wypipo actually did bad things! Now let us glorify black people in peace despite the fact that black people did and are still doing bad things<br /> <br /> Sound about right? <br /> <br /> Fragility he says, lol, lmao. No, you are being outbred and replaced while your culture is actively being subverted, but you’re too indoctrinated/stupid to see the writing on the wall. Celebrating white culture? Le bad racism! Celebrating fake black history while erasing history? Wow so brave! Unlike you though, I’m not an american mutt, I don’t have to go along with your mental illness, and I’ll speak up and will continue to do so whenever I see fit.
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Reply by Jordyep
2 years ago
@one_up I wonder why these people didn’t get upset when we got a movie glorifying an artist who’s a confirmed pedophile earlier this year. Oh wait that’s right, I do know why. It’s funny to see these extremists attempt morality for once, only for it to fail as per usual.
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Reply by One_Up
2 years ago
@fuckyoutoo23 wow, that post just told me _a lot_ about you. You honestly think "American mutt" is an insult? lmao, as you seem to be fond of saying. In referencing dogs, pure-breeds tend to be more prone to genetic defects and health problems that shorten their life-spans, while mutts are much hardier and long-lived because of genetic diversity... food for thought, personally I'd rather be a mutt.<br /> <br /> While I'd fight for your right to free speech, I too will continue to speak up whenever I see fit because of my right to the same, which in this case is in the face of thinly veiled racism put forth under the guise of 'fighting woke-ism' and completely missing the mark.<br /> <br /> No, your summary didn't quite pin the tail on the broad side of the barn if you get what I mean. Since you seem to prefer shorter, easier-to-comprehend sentences, here you go:<br /> <br /> - Movie shows black-on-black slavery, _including the Dahomey_, and portrays it as bad not glorified.<br /> - You claimed whites are portrayed as "evil", but they're barely in the movie and only because they're the buyers.<br /> - Movie shows the Dahomeans stopped participating in slavery during Ghoze's reign, which is historically true.<br /> - Movie conveniently leaves out that in reality they returned to practicing slavery 5 years later, agreed the movie is certainly dishonest there.<br /> - You claimed the white people were the French and that historically they were there to end slavery, which is wrong on both accounts.<br /> <br /> _That's_ the summary, you numpty.<br /> <br /> Also, on the 'fragility' backlash, you do realize the claim that white people are being "outbred and replaced" just translates to _"non-white people having babies is scaring me!"_ ...Not exactly well-tanned cajones of steel there, Tucker. But seriously, I wouldn't be associating myself with white replacement theory if I were you, do you _really_ wanna align yourself with the same thinking as the mass shooter in Buffalo so soon?<br /> <br /> By the way, "my culture" as an American is not subverted by the mixing of people and cultures from around the world, it's _strengthened_ by it. We are supposed to be the 'melting pot' of the world after all. Trying to combine the skills and positive traits of all peoples who wish to live here into one nation, _that's_ our true strength and too many people have lost sight of that goal. Only a culture that's so weak it thinks it can only survive by keeping others down with 'us vs. them' fear mongering could come up with something so ridiculous as white replacement theory.
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Reply by One_Up
2 years ago
@jordyep Right?! I bet they watched it and thought "what an American icon, no wonder he's revered as _The King_... Oh, all that 14 yr old girl stuff? Well, nobody's perfect..." while simultaneously and furiously posting about pizzagate on "Troth Senchal".
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Reply by Jordyep
2 years ago
@one_up Yeah, in my opinion a storyteller shouldn’t feel obligated to include every aspect of a culture, or a person’s life. Stories need a point of view, and if the darker sides (regardless of whether it’s convenient to leave them out or not) aren’t needed, then that’s fine by me. Otherwise we’d need to touch on a lot of the same stuff every time we make a movie about any powerful figure from the 17th century or any famous rockstar, and that would get redundant very fast. Movies are a subjective experience anyway. As long as the storytelling feels authentic and doesn’t have immoral messaging, which is the case here, I don’t really see the issue.
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Reply by One_Up
2 years ago
@jordyep here here! very well said!
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farrahcd says...
2 years ago
Not sure how this has a 10% rating when it’s not even released yet?. Really looking forward to seeing it!
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Reply by wolfkin
2 years ago
@farrahcd _Not sure how this has a 10% rating when it’s not even released yet?. Really looking forward to seeing it!_<br /> <br /> It's literally a 10% rating based on 1 vote...
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Reply by ltjoy1241
2 years ago
@farrahcd - I agree! I don't understand how show can show a future release date, still be in post production, and 0 streaming services, yet still have 84 plays!! I thought 'post production means it's still being tweaked before it gets released and 0 streaming services means it's not available on any service for streaming. Is this not right? What am I missing?
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Reply by Trakteris
2 years ago
@farrahcd Because people already know that it's gonna be a propaganda movie. No one like that. <br /> It's about Dahomey kingdom, who were slavers, kidnapping people and selling slaves to Europeans. <br /> They are clearly gonna turn this into Braveheart type of movie, making Dahomey people the victims and the good guys fighting for freedom against evil kingdoms and evil Europeans. <br /> This movie is not "history", it's fiction. <br /> <br /> Mark my words. Come back after you watch it, you'll see that I was right.
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miguelreina says...
one year ago
As disingenuous in its historical revisionism as the actors' African accents, it's a commercial movie that sells empowerment when it's actually offering submission, with unnecessary subplots and a sweeten portrayal of the ferocity of the Dahomey Amazons. It gives the impression that it hides the lack of a clear position on slavery with superficial samples of African folklore.
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kingy72 says...
one year ago
Found it a bit boring,but that's what I expected from the woke brigade in Hollywood.
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hgram says...
one year ago
Viola Davis is great as always. The real star however is Thuso Mbedo, who is incredible as Nawi.

This movie has rightfully been called a "Black female Braveheart". Just like Braveheart, it's a great movie! And just like Braveheart, it's more historical fiction than fact.
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Jordyep says...
one year ago
I’ve seen comparisons to _Braveheart_, I think those are pretty on point. It does some things exceptionally well (acting, action, visuals, costume design, the music bangs), but it’s also too commercial for its own good. Some of the key elements of this film are schmaltzy, melodramatic and predictable, and it brings a lot of the film down. There are also some minor exposition dumps that aren’t very elegantly handled, and it’s a bit too long. Still, let there be no mistake about it: this is one of the better mainstream films to come out this year, if only by the virtue of not messing up at any major point (it’s never goes fully dumb or stupid, nor does it ever turn into CGI schlock). So it’s unfortunate to see this film being another victim of an engineered hate campaign, here’s hoping most of its potential audience are smart enough to see through that.

6.5/10
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Reply by Hoaxr
one year ago
Gtfo compare this to braveheart??
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jordanvic says...
one year ago
Cast not diverse at all. we need a more inclusive cast. its 2022 for god’s sake.
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Reply by The_Argentinian
one year ago
Ba7ddanvic *eyeroll* try harder, troll
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FuckYouToo23 says...
2 years ago
Trakt deleting negative comments hahahaha, god forbid this propagandistic revisionist bullshit movie gets some well deserved criticism lmao
Shut it down!
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Gusanito1886 says...
one year ago
Everything Viola Davis touches turns into gold and she was great as expected. But to see Thuso Mbedu deliver an almost even spectacular performance blew my mind. This movie has so much power and so much heart. Loved it.
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meirivri says...
one year ago
Nice movie…it really show how noble the African culture is at all levels…
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ArielRodriguez says...
one year ago
Viola Davis has established herself as one of the best current actresses; With a strong personality, each role she plays highlights it masterfully. Without a doubt, this role of an African woman leading an unusual group of female warriors benefits from her character. Based on real events, it is difficult to say that the story is predictable, since it is not a failed invention but a series of events that happened, although perhaps not in the same way. The film is distinguished by its great casting that in each role selected the right performer. It's worth it just to see Viola Davis in action, but it's more enjoyable when it can also be said to be worth it for the entire cast. As for the narrative, it is interesting, entertaining, but it does fall into some common places. However, as I already said: it's worth it.
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Obione_TdG says...
one year ago
This is what happens when the Americans attempt to make a film based on an Indian movie script. Film a bit fake in its setting, not historical accurate, and with a representation of the people represented (African, European and South American) a bit too modern and clean (likely to satisfy American tastes and not reality). This is even fine, but while the Indians often add complexity to the plot with a lot of twists to keep the attention and enhance the surprise, here instead the first half is plain, with some recover in the second half, but without many emotions triggered.
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Reply by DefIsRok
one year ago
@obione_tdg Indian films suck gtfo
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Saint Pauly says...
2 years ago
Like me describing a date I went on: so romanticized it's a little sickening and doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Another film that would've made a better documentary, the added melodrama to an already dramatic movie stacked the BS so high it was over the top.
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FatalMuzza says...
2 years ago
I think the title could have been shortened to "Queen"? Copyright perhaps.
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Reply by Jordyep
2 years ago
@fatalmuzza There’s also that Helen Mirren movie titled The Queen. Maybe they wanted to avoid the confusion?
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Reply by Xenzio-deleted-1668427509
one year ago
@fatalmuzza The people of Dahomey believe in a legend of two kings, a man and a woman who are exact equals, the title is the distinction between the two. The Man King and the Woman King.
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Reply by FatalMuzza
one year ago
@xenzio ahh, thanks for the heads up
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Reply by C0br4one
one year ago
@fatalmuzza Maybe payback for that music band with the name Queen that consists only of men
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