2 years ago

@gloom8 After all the total failures of reboots of old TVs, so was I expecting a train wreck as well. Full of political narratives in it and so on, but I was pleasantly surprised. There was a bit about guns, but to not to spoil anything, It wasn't the worst. I just hope it doesn't continue.<br /> <br /> Anyway, the first ep did felt kind of rushed, but I would say that it has a potential to be the first successful reboot since Battlestar Galactica. I guess we shall see.

2 years ago

@trakteris Look, I'm all for anti-gun agendas in my tv shows. And it kinda funny to think that serial killer that prefers knifes would have being against them. Anyway first episode was alright.<br /> <br /> I'm not that hopeful overall. So far it seems that Dexter either would be an ok series or would end with some form of trainwreck.<br /> <br /> Honestly, I wish they would start with something bold. Like **Dexter killing innocent ahole**. And having to deal with inner turmoil over that. At least something that would indicate that at the end of the series we and OG creator would get that "perfect ending" for Dexter.

2 years ago

@gloom8 Turns you were right. Asides calling out white privilege and other SJW nonsense all through the show mostly by Molly (the most annoying character with the worst lines), show wasn't bad. But the ending felt extremely rushed. "**Bang**, The end." <br /> I bet everyone expected that, but how they got there and how it happened was just screwed up. Had to change my rating from 8/10 to 4/10, because it was poor writing.

2 years ago

@trakteris lol the ending wasn't rushed at all and if anything took up too much time. The entire season in built around the tension between [spoiler] Dexter and his estranged son lmao how can you say Harrison turning against Dexter's perverse hypocritical logic is rushed or bad writing? [/spoiler]. The SJW stuff is never a central plot point so knocking it for that is ridiculous too. Just admit they didn't do exactly what you wanted them to do and you're mad about it.

2 years ago

@seanmsu Dexter isn't a hypocrite. What happened in the cell was not what Dexter is, it was a betrayal to the original show' fans. That could have happened at some point, but in this season there wasn't such a built up for his character and for a good reason for that to actually happen. That's the definition of a rushed ending. <br /> They abandoned the reunion with Batista script and so much more. Cameos all for nothing, they scratch that and finish it off.

2 years ago

@trakteris <br /> I'm not gonna speak for SeanMSU here. But Dexter is _hypocrite_ even withought the scene in the cell. [spoiler]<br /> The show and the main character at a certain point was sold to us as an antihero that never makes any mistakes in judgement. Like it's a noble calling to follow. Look how many fans wanted it to turn into "family business ". Ignoring that he was just another serial killer with strong urge to kill that always gets away with his crimes. [/spoiler]<br /> <br /> [spoiler] And this angle was confronted in previous and final episode. Hell, in the final dialogue even. We shouldn't root for him to continue "saving innocent people". He fucked up individual that getting off on his killings. The whole speech to Kurt and Harrison reaction to it was there to point it out. [/spoiler]<br /> <br /> [spoiler] And to top it all off. Dexter way of dealing with the murderers doesn't help victim's families to move on. Like Harrison that got obsessed with the idea of finding and killing Trinity with his "own" weapon. Because in his mind, thanks to Dexter, he is still out here and he just got away with it. [/spoiler]

2 years ago

@gloom8 [spoiler]The show started with an idea that he's been living away in the cabin and small town for over 10 years without killing anyone, showing that he is finally capable of suppressing his dark passenger, the urges to kill. We were shown how, his technique, his routine, having deers in his rifle's crosshair, but not pulling the trigger. <br /> He slipped when he killed Matt, but, well, it was not not deserved, and that's no reason to believe that he cannot move on again.[/spoiler]<br /> <br /> [spoiler]Yet in the end he's literally begging Harisson to kill him, like a pathetic junky telling that he cannot stop. <br /> Him killing Logan made absolutely no sense. For starters, he's skilled, could have knocked him out without killing him, but that wouldn't be my choice either if I was the show's writer. I would have extended the final to Batista's return and history catching up with Dexter, instead of just scrapping it all and fast-forwarding to this nonsense we got.[/spoiler] <br /> <br /> [spoiler]Harrison's reaction to death of couch would be solid (_though shouldn't have happened_), but his judgment of Dexter was flawed, his reasoning on why Dexter left him, on his fault at who Harisson is. Can't say it wasn't realistic, given how mental Americans and teenagers these days are, but that just shows how bad the writing is. This show's writers are as bad at judgment as kids and teenagers are.[/spoiler]<br /> <br /> [spoiler]Long story short. Killing Dexter off like that was the worst and the most rushed thing writers could have had come up with.<br /> I would have preferred him finally getting caught, but not necessarily proved and prosecuted. I wanted to see Batista and other familiar faces again, to see their reaction and judgment, to be revealed to Harrison that he was Bay Harbor's Butcher and so on. There was just so much of potentially good story left out.[/spoiler]

2 years ago

@trakteris [spoiler] I would say that the series started with showing him struggle to keep the urge at bay. He didn't slipped he was dreaming about hurting Matt - first for being an asshole and after that remembering that he sort of has a reason to kill him instead. And on the flimsiest possible proof - witnessing of one person that hates Matt because he treats him like shit. If at the end we find out that it was just a drunk teenager incident (well, it kind was that anyway) that wouldn't be surprising. Because it wasn't about Matt's crime or him getting away with it (Kurt was the one who allowed his son to get away with it. I would say Kurt deserved the wrath more for that reason from Dexter's usual judgement system) - it was about finding excuse to feed the "dark passenger" not stopping serial killer/pedophile/organiser of human trafficking etc. Dexter would have returned to killing no matter what as with most irl serial killers that can hide for decades until they can't anymore. [/spoiler]<br /> <br /> [spoiler]They used Logan as quick shortcut to show what would happened if Dexter wasn't saved by writers that couldn't write themselves out of the corners. He would have to kill innocent person by his own hands in order to be free eventually. But in doing so they hit the other side of a problem - there were ways out of it without killing Logan for sure. I'm mostly fine with that not being 100% realistic. Symbolically it fits well, if you remember in OG series we had opposite problem. Alot of convenient deaths around him (and they remind us of those with flashback) where Dexter conveniently got away and didn't covered his hands with innocent blood.[/spoiler]<br /> <br /> [spoiler]I wish Batista wouldn't be part of the story at all, it felt forced as hell. Deb and Trinity were enough. They would have to heavily involved Molly or that type of person in the main storyline to connect both worlds, but they went with the easy and forced solution. If Batista was previously used as Doakes or Laguerta type of character than sure. But he was the most oblivious one. He doesn't fit for that role at all.[/spoiler]<br /> <br /> [spoiler] ==There were barely any "you made me this way" type of argument through==. On the contrary he was telling Dexter off for trying to paint his anger and violence as a "dark passenger" ignoring other possible explanations. <br /> ==Why do you think his judgement of Dexter was flawed?== Harrison told him that saving innocent angle was a bunch of bs. We as the audience know that it was bs. But that not how Dexter was trying to sell his actions to his son - so Harrison is correct here. Getting off is the whole reason and it's not some "side activity" that's Dexter whole personality. His hobbies, his relationships - all used for passing as normal, nothing more.[/spoiler]<br /> <br /> [spoiler]I don't know what you problems with teenagers are, it sounds like simpsons meme about shouting at the cloud. But you should definitely rewatch their encounter for more details.[/spoiler] <br /> <br /> [spoiler]Personally, I wish they would never drop the concept of him being psychopath. On one hand he always uses people for cover, on the other they were selling his relationship with Deb and Harrison as sincere one. <br /> If his reason for leaving Harrison is real, than it makes sense that the only way for him to fulfill it is not be in his son life. I would prefer legal punishment - life in prison. I don't see the need or a way to organically connect to reactions from anyone we known before. It won't add anything new or powerful. All the characters that would have made it interesting are long dead. Instead of Logan, he could have wounding Angela in the forest and got killed by Harrison for that. But this concept was played with, constantly, in the OG series. So I understand why they went with something new in the end. Letter was used as a nice wrap up for his reason and that's specific ending.[/spoiler]