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JL0017 says...

2 months ago

XVI century Portuguese people speak English, for some reason, but Japanese people speak Japanese.

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Reply by Nochickencurry86

2 months ago

Yeah it's baffling. Maybe they were afraid it would turn people off from watching it if it was all subtitled.

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Reply by Superkloton

2 months ago

@JL0017 17th century (1600-1700), not 16th!

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Reply by JL0017

2 months ago

@superkloton True, 1600 (00-99 years dictate the century) already counts as 17th. Thanks.

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Reply by Superkloton

2 months ago

@jl0017 WELLLL the year 1600 itself actually still belongs to the 16th century (because there was no year 0, it went straight from -1 to 1) but because the story starts in 1600 and only goes forward from there I thought it was more accurate to say 17th century. All in all just a crapload of smartassery, really :hugging:

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Reply by JL0017

2 months ago

@superkloton Oh, I see. So it catches one year of 16th century, but the bulk of the story is the subsequent century (so it makes sense to consider it on the 17th one really). No, no, not smartassery at all. :joy: Quite the opposite, I love learning these nerdy and interesting details and I don't see getting corrected as an annoyance, but as a great chance learn. Thank you :smile::heart: In this particular case, it's even something quite useful that can easily come up in day-to-day conversation.

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Reply by kuuzo

2 months ago

@jl0017 The English is Portuguese on the show. It's not rocket science, it's just so we don't have to watch 10 episodes of subtitles with actors from Portugal.

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Reply by DavidwMiller

2 months ago

@jl0017 Yeah, that's how english market shows work. <br /> <br /> Weirder bit is that English represents more than one language. The main dude is at least speaking English and Portuguese at different points, but they're both spoken as English so it's unclear which is which in conversations.

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Reply by JL0017

2 months ago

@kuuzo What's not rocket science is understanding that you either go 100% English and have the Japanese characters also speaking it or 100% native, not this half-measured nonsense. What exactly would be so wrong with having 10 subtitled episodes with Portuguese actors??? <br /> So 10 episodes of subtitled Japanese is "no problem, okey-dokey :thumbsup:", but Portuguese is where we draw the line :raised_hand:? Are subtitles a foreign and somehow very painful concept to people? Is reading hard? Can they only handle 60% of subtitled runtime before headaches? Non-native speakers have been consuming content for years with them just fine. It certainly beats cryptic foreign, mumbly/low diction accents and grunts in terms of clarity and intelligibility.

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Reply by JL0017

2 months ago

@kuuzo And actually the English is English AND Portuguese simultaneously on the show, which makes it even sillier, specially when they say they are speaking another language and continue in the same manner.

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Reply by kuuzo

2 months ago

@jl0017 Convince an American production company to finance a 10 episode series with all foreign actors and no Americans, based on a book written in English based on an English pilot. I'll wait. Every time a production comes out that uses some English so that it can be produced, people come out of the woodwork to whine. This is such an old, whiny argument. Just enjoy it.

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